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Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:22:00 -
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Why should he gtfo, does the truth hurt? |
Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:33:00 -
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BenDover wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Why should he gtfo, does the truth hurt? If EVE was truly such a bad game, people would not play it. If you're playing the game, don't moan about it being "so bad". The line between constructive criticism and outright whining is not a thin one.
I play EVE in the sense I log on and adjust my ques maybe fool around trading, that's about it.
Local chat makes the game a dull campfest be it gate or station and wormholes are too much of a logistics pain to be a cure for the ailment.
I have no problem admitting I pay to play a bad game. I hope eventually CCP will see the light, EVE has promise, but as it stands its a big pile of mediocre poo and the guys remarks about plex and paying for a bad game are spot on.
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Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:01:00 -
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I think you're quite mistaken. CCP has no vested interest in how high minerals go. It doesn't really affect them. Crashing the plex market means the people who give them real cash no longer do. Your minerals, their cashflow. Yeah....
Mining is easy to do. It will always have a surplus of people botting it to pay for whatever portion of their plex they can. Plainly put mineral demand and supply will never affect the supply and demand of plex in the sense you imply.. |
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:14:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:I think you're quite mistaken. CCP has no vested interest in how high minerals go. It doesn't really affect them. Crashing the plex market means the people who give them real cash no longer do. Your minerals, their cashflow. Yeah....
Mining is easy to do. It will always have a surplus of people botting it to pay for whatever portion of their plex they can. Plainly put mineral demand and supply will never affect the supply and demand of plex in the context you imply... Of course CCP cares if Battleships start to cost 500m, because players WILL quit over that.
Nah they don't. And i'd say your implication is hyperbole and completely unfounded. People quit for a myriad of reasons but I've yet to see anyone make a real verifiable claim and follow through of quitting over ship prices. |
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:20:00 -
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Zappity wrote:CCP appears to want a relatively stable plex market. This was in last year's CSM minutes: CSM minutes wrote:Dr.EyjoG also provided CSM with a report on PLEX intervention(s) made by the EVE Central Bank since the last CSM Summit. The major intervention was related to a PLEX price spike triggered by a large FW payout, and PLEX prices have remained stable since that time. The CSM was satisfied that the ECB had acted appropriately and in line with the procedures previously described. Dr.EyjoG noted that he hopes to have a devblog out in January that discusses this topic in more detail. Check this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194473
Yeah let me address this. The EvE master economist is pacifying the people upset with plex prices. They released some locked plex which temporarily increased supply to stifle the price increase. That can only occur in finite supply. Eventually there will not be any locked plex. He also, while not wanting to say it, knows full well the higher plex goes the more plex they sell. He nor CCP give one "F" about whether someone can afford plex with ISK. They only care that people are willing to buy plex with cash. Whether or not I ISK sell the plex for 1 isk or 1 trillion isk doesn't matter one bit. All that matters is that I purchase plex using real currency. |
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:41:00 -
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Let me clarify. People in large numbers want to play for free. CCP used extra resources (locked plex) and threw them a bone. Those resources are finite. It can not be done indefinitely. I doubt there was serious number of plex locked to begin with. There certainly isn't an infinite amount.
CCP has no target for plex prices aside from plex being at a ISK value that will motivate the ISK sellers to purchase them.
I say CCP has no target for plex prices because they aren't the owner of the plex. They have sold the plex. Therefore they can not have a target price for the owner to sell at. |
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:53:00 -
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Plex is a privilege, not a right. When people understand this the price of plex will no longer be a concern. |
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:53:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:Let me clarify. People in large numbers want to play for free. CCP used extra resources (locked plex) and threw them a bone. Those resources are finite. It can not be done indefinitely. I doubt there was serious number of plex locked to begin with. There certainly isn't an infinite amount.
CCP has no target for plex prices aside from plex being at a ISK value that will motivate the ISK sellers to purchase them.
I say CCP has no target for plex prices because they are no longer the owner of the plex. They have sold the plex. Therefore they can not have a target price for the owner to sell at.
And at the risk of coming off as condescending as the owner of those purchased plex I don't care one iota whether joe average can play free or not or even at all. It's not my concern. My only concern when I purchase plex for resale is that I receive as absolutely much ISK for each as the market will allow.
If I see the price of plex plummeting I assure you investing in plex is not something i'm going to do. And I think you'll find that a truth with anyone buying plex for resale. That's business. That makes sense. But why couldn't CCP seed more plex? Total plex numbers are currently decreasing due to destruction in ship ganks (I assume plex are actually destroyed if they don't drop) so eventually there will be no plex left. This is clearly reductio ad absurdum but you get the point.
Because you can not seed an item you intend to sell for real life currency. |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 01:51:00 -
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CCP can make any bold statement it wants to. When the price swings down plex sales slow. CCP releasing 10000 plex on the market would be contrary to their best interest. Thy have been paid for gametime that will not be consumed. Tell me would you as a company essentially honor 200000 rel life cash in gametime for the temporary favor of disgruntled players or would you keep them off the market keeping the "free" 200000 cash and force the sale of more plex?
Let me simplify it for you. CCP isn't going to do 1 thing to alter plex prices, they are not going to relese locked plex, and you can rest assured plex will hit the 1 billion mark sooner or later. |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 02:51:00 -
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I don't know. The spiel sounded good and I went with it.
I appreciate your liberal use of lubricant. |
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:56:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:CCP can make any bold statement it wants to. When the price swings down plex sales slow. CCP releasing 10,000 plex on the market would be contrary to their best interest. They have been paid for gametime that will not be consumed. Tell me would you as a company essentially honor 200.000 real life cash in gametime for the temporary favor of disgruntled players or would you keep them off the market keeping the "free" 200000 cash and force the sale of more plex?
Let me simplify it for you. CCP isn't going to do 1 thing to alter plex prices, they are not going to release locked plex and you can rest assured plex will hit the 1 billion mark sooner or later.
They were fibbing. I say that as gently as I can. Can I get a [Citation needed] for that. What is your evidence that CCP did not alter the price of plex?
What is your evidence they did? My evidence is found in human nature. They have been paid for gametime that's not honored. It's free cash. Whether you can play free or not matters not in the slightest to them. The only thing that matters is that plex resellers are happy to buy more and in that particular instance they have sold gametime that doesn't have to be honored.
I'm not worried about being taken as right in this instance. CCPs word wouldn't move me. I'd need a video of them putting for sale the plex to be satisfied. 1000 dollar pants perhaps prejudiced my view.
How much free gametime has any multi year veteran ever been given? And you believe the whines' of the general public about playing free means what to them? |
Caliph Muhammed
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Posted - 2013.09.23 13:44:00 -
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Rthor wrote:Buy PLEX now. Price can only go up. :-) Did I get this right?  This PLEX is really messing up Eve economics.
Long term, yes. Barring any game killing features being added to the game that would introduce mass quits and such. MechWarrior managed to do this, it's not impossible. But if you have a lot of ISK laying around and no desire to trade plex investment is a sound idea.
Plex supply is limited. It can't be overproduced like a module. There are only so many people willing to pay out real cash for in game currency. I'd wager 99% of EVE dreams of playing absolutely free, indefinitely, through passively streamed income. How many plex resellers do you think that would take to meet that demand?
Keyword, long term. |
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